Talk:Dynasties of China
The whole idea that there are many different "dynasties" of one continuously existing country called "China" is increasingly challenged by many historians, such as Hidehiro Okada. It might be worth having a section about this in which the alternative view is at least mentioned. The alternative view is that we need to look at what happened in each period in its own terms, not necessarily as a stage on the way to the present-day situation. The story should be framed in a regional context, highlighting how peoples moved, states rose and fell, frontiers fluctuated, trade flowed and cultures hybridised.Nero Calatrava (talk)
- This is a potentially interesting point, I always appreciate trying to unstick one's mind from structures like these if that's possible. I'm trying to look into the work of Okada now, do you have any starting points? Or, does anyone have any works in this historiographical area? Remsense聊
- Given that this is going to be a heavily politically contentious point, I would recommend that a thorough discussion on exactly what is to be included in the section be held here before anyone makes WP:BOLD edits. I think such a section would be useful, especially considering that what was considered Chinese or not varied quite considerably thorought history. That said, nobody seems to have really raised similar issues in articles like History of Russia, even though the breadth of that article is... also potentially problematic. I would also be quite hesitant to start a section on this view based only on Japanese historians. Fermiboson (talk)
- Yes, that would've been the second point I wanted to make. I just heard about the PRC putting the History of Qing project on ice this morning, apparently in large part due to New Qing History-related turbulence—and while this in summary is facially absurd and embarrassing and the PRC isn't interested in historiography for its own sake here—something Western observers very often forget is, the last time a lot of people outside China got really interested in the Manchu-ness of the Manchus, for example, it was due to the direct propaganda efforts of the empire carving a bloody colony out of the northeast of their country. So certainly, I think looking at Chinese perspectives is paramount. Remsense聊
- Yes, that would've been the second point I wanted to make. I just heard about the PRC putting the History of Qing project on ice this morning, apparently in large part due to New Qing History-related turbulence—and while this in summary is facially absurd and embarrassing and the PRC isn't interested in historiography for its own sake here—something Western observers very often forget is, the last time a lot of people outside China got really interested in the Manchu-ness of the Manchus, for example, it was due to the direct propaganda efforts of the empire carving a bloody colony out of the northeast of their country. So certainly, I think looking at Chinese perspectives is paramount. Remsense聊
The listing of dynasties would be far more useful if dates were attached to it, CE. That's what I came here looking for and I was sorry to see so much writing without such a useful feature.
108.51.169.236 (talk)
- Look at the column "Year" in the table. Double sharp (talk)
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